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| <P CLASS="documenttype"><a href="index.html">Meeting Minutes</a></P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT STYLE="margin-top: 0.63cm; margin-bottom: 0.42cm; page-break-after: avoid"><B>Weekly Meeting Virtual User Interface (VUI) Team</B></P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Date</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>March 21<SUP>th</SUP> 2002</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Time</P> |
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| <P>10:00h, MEST</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Location</P> |
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| <P>Cupertino, eham-02</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Attendees</P> |
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| <P>Christian Lippka (CL)<BR>Daniel Rentz (DR)<BR>Hans-Peter Burow |
| (PB)<BR>Christian Jansen (CJ)<BR>Oliver Specht (OS)<BR>Frank |
| Schönheit (FS)</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Minute Taker</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>FS (next: PB, DR,GT, CL, OS, FS)</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Distribution List</P> |
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| <P>http://ui.openoffice.org/protocols</P> |
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| <P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm; widows: 0; orphans: 0; page-break-before: auto; page-break-after: auto">1 Action |
| Items</P> |
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| <H1 CLASS="western">1 Action Items</H1> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Item</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Responsible</P> |
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| <P ALIGN=LEFT>Status</P> |
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| <P><B>previous items</B></P> |
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| <P>Create a concept of Common UI factory design</P> |
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| <P>FS</P> |
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| <P>stalled</P> |
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| <P>Toolboxes in dialogs must get the correct image list set |
| (standard/high contrast) |
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| <P>All ui developers</P> |
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| <P>open<SUP>1</SUP></P> |
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| <P>High Contrast mode (HC mode) for Listboxes, Treelistboxes and |
| Browseboxes must be handled where used with bitmaps</P> |
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| <P>All ui developers</P> |
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| <TD WIDTH=20%> |
| <P>open <SUP>1</SUP></P> |
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| <P>Calling SetModeBitmap for all dialog controls with bitmaps</P> |
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| <P>All ui developers</P> |
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| <P>open <SUP>1</SUP></P> |
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| <P>Check context menu handling |
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| <P>CJ</P> |
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| <P>done <SUP>2</SUP></P> |
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| <P><B>new items</B></P> |
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| <P>check naming convention for high contrast bitmaps, check build |
| process for high contrast image lists</P> |
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| <P>OS</P> |
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| <P>new</P> |
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| <P>create Bug for UNO-Accessibility of BrowseBox</P> |
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| <P>FS</P> |
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| <P>new</P> |
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| <P>create design document for Accessibility API of the BrowseBox</P> |
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| <P>DR</P> |
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| <P>new</P> |
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| <B>Comments on Action Items</B></P> |
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| <LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm; widows: 0; orphans: 0; page-break-after: auto"> |
| These items are waiting for the implementation of the interfaces to |
| set bitmaps/image list for high contrast mode and the creation of |
| high contrast ready bitmaps</P> |
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| Regharding the selection upon opening a context menu, there are |
| different conventions in different products. The common denominator |
| is that when opening a context menu via mouse, on an object which |
| does not belong to the current selection, the selection is changed |
| to this object. Differences are whether or not the original |
| selection is restored after the menu is closed.<BR>We think that as |
| a general rule, we should change the OOo behaviour so that the |
| selection follows the mouse click (which currently is not the case), |
| but is not restored afterwards (due to the efforts this would imply |
| especially for more complex scenes than a tree list box).</P> |
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| <H1 CLASS="western">2 Round table</H1> |
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| <LI><P STYLE="font-weight: medium">CJ told us that Stella nearly |
| finished creation of the high contrast versions of all our office |
| bitmaps.<BR>It arose that it is yet unclear how these new bitmaps |
| are to be use to generate image lists. Currently, the bitmap tool |
| decides from the first two letters of the output name of a image |
| list which input bitmaps to use - this would require new naming |
| conventions for the high contrast images (currently they have a |
| suffix "_h").<BR>OS is to clarify this.</P> |
| <LI><P STYLE="font-weight: medium">DR told there there still does |
| not exist a formal bug for the UNO Accessibility of the BrowseBox. |
| FS is to write one.<BR>Given that there is the possibility that DR |
| can't finish the Accessibility implementations for the BrowseBox, FS |
| asked DR to create some specification document for the |
| to-be-implemented API, to ease a possible later handoff.</P> |
| <LI><P STYLE="font-weight: medium">There was a discussion about the |
| cursor control in the BrowseBox (mainly in the database components). |
| Currently, there are some inconsistencies between the BrowseBox, |
| Calc Sheets and Tables in Writer. Some of the different behaviour |
| does make sense, some perhaps doesn't.<BR>The attendees agreed that |
| a comprehensive solution would require extensive specification |
| effort, and that it would not be worth it, as there are no real |
| problems with the current behaviour.</P> |
| <LI><P STYLE="font-weight: medium">PB told us of a performance |
| problem in the Accessibility API of the ComboBox. As it was decided |
| that a combo and list boxes expose all their entries (even the not |
| visible ones) as children, we may have a problem with AT tools. For |
| example, accessing the ComboBox in the Help component (with about |
| 4000 entries) with the JavaMonkey takes a very long time which |
| prevents reasonably working with it.<BR>As soon as a product build |
| is available with the API implementations in the combo box, PB will |
| do some profiling to investigate the reason of the performance |
| problem. It may be possible that the concept as such (expose all |
| entries as objects) is the problem itself. Together with the various |
| bridges involved, the problem may be inherent ....</P> |
| <LI><P STYLE="font-weight: medium">FS asked whether or not the |
| current toolbox design is final. He claimed that especially the |
| visualization of "checked" toolbox slots is suboptimal. CJ |
| told us that Stephan Schaefer is still not finished with the |
| implementations, and especially the checked slots are to be |
| improved.</P> |
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