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<td>All right :)</td>
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<td>Soo again, hello everybody</td>
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<td>my name is Aiet Kolkhi and I represent Georgian Native-Lang</td>
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<td>and today I will be talking about my opinions</td>
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<td>rregarding software piracy and how it can influence open source</td>
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<td>Please have a look at the Slide 2</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I guess we all know what Piracy means</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>its definition is "The unauthorized copying, distribution, or use of another's production esp. in infringement of a copyright"</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Unfortunately Piracy rate is very high in many countries</td>
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<td>Such countries include many asian and esatern Europian countries,</td>
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<td>as well as some African countries</td>
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<td>Overall, the piracy is an issue in almost any country</td>
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<td>In my homeland, Georgia, piracy is so high</td>
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<td>that one can barely find a computer with legal, licensed software on it</td>
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<td>The siuation is changing and I hope we will have licensed software</td>
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<td>within the next two or three years</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Now, if you take a look at the Slide 3</td>
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<td>it listed some issued that could be considered as negative onfluence on Open Source products</td>
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<td>I have met some people who think that piracy is not an issue for Open Source and</td>
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<td>it would not have big influence on FOSS development</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>this is, in my opinion, not exactly correct</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>We all know that software patents is a not a good way of supporting FOSS development</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>but Copyright is something different.</td>
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<td>In Georgia, about 95pc of desktop pcs use proprietary, commercial software</td>
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<td>which is closed soruce and is installed without proper license</td>
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<td>The negative think about piracy is that is creates all the propriatary software accessible to everyone free of charge</td>
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<td>Closed-source products lead huge advertising campaigns</td>
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<td>dominate the software market worldwide</td>
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<td>and having the tools accessibla free of charge</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>makes it mor dfifficult for open source products to emrge on the market</td>
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<td>So, I guess it's kind of a Foul Play</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>its not a healthy competition</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>The last item on the list is</td>
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<td>Open Source and Open Source Only?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>what I am trying to ask by this is that</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Open Source still neeeds some time before it can exist without commercial software</td>
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<td>Today, there has to be some propriatary, commecial software</td>
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<td>which will hire many programmers</td>
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<td>and also create a competition for Open Source</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>it may change in the future, but this is how it is today, I guess</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>now, having a look at the Slide 4</td>
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<td>I believe we could find some</td>
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<td>positive aspects for FOSS development in a countries where piracy rate</td>
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<td>is very high</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Having unlicensed sofware means having so official support</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>No comany would prefer to have illigal, unsupported software</td>
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<td>and countries with high piracy rate are the </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>countries that do not have a booming software market</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and companies from theese countries will not like to spend thousands on software</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>So it should not be very difficult to help companies and governmential/ nongovernmential bodies</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>to migrate to FOSS products</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>illigal software means</td>
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<td>that the copies installed on the machines</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>are not only unsupported, but also</td>
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<td>one can not verify the soure of the installation media</td>
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<td>in Georgia, there exists thousands of different "versions"</td>
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<td>of propriatary software, like</td>
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<td>commercial operating systems</td>
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<td>some versions are lite cds, that have been modofied to fit on a single cd</td>
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<td>some have modified dynamic libraries, that change sme</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>functions of a product</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>of course, some of them are "hacked" versions, meaning security exploits</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and whenever a company faces a security problem,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>they can not call the official support number</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>as they can not verify the correctness of the installation soures</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>so, having a legal product means</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>having supported product</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and using a FOSS product menas</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>means</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>support community of many users</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>verified installation sources</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>open and secure structure </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>And the key issue why a company or a body will be hapy to migrate to FOSS products is that</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>sooner or later, the situation in the country will change and</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>they *will* have to buy the license anyway.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>And having a FOSS products means you will be protected in the future, no matter what the country legislature is</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Nonetheless, piracy is a huge problem</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>is prevents software development</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>it menas that local markety is very poor</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and the users often lack the awareness of the FOSS products</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Now, at Slide 5</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>you can find a few ideas what we could do</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>to help the development of FOSS products in piracy regions and countries</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I am afraid I can not offer a full solution</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>maybe we could come up with some ideas together later, but</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>here are some of them I could think of, having Georgian experience :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>First, I guess there is no general rule, and every approach</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>should consider the local environment,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>local mentality, traditional and cultural heritage</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Free and Open also means that a product can be</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>fully localised and can fully suite the local needs</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I think Localisation, unlike Globalisation, is a key issue to the development of FOSS products in so many regions</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>This is what Native-Lang Confederation is about</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>It would be nice if more FOSS products created similar projects</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>as NLC not only supports the localisations of a product</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>but also offers support and marketing to local regions</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>This gives us an opportunity to study the local environment</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>study the mentality of a specific language, country and region</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and choose the best approach for educating people of the advantages Open Source products can offer</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>this what I mean by Staying "in Style"</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>So, having a look at the last slide</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Slide 6, that is,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>is also a solution</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>As I mentioned earlier,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I come from Georgia.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>In case you don't know, Georgia has five thousand years of knowledge, tradition, and excellence in winemaking </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>The country of Georgia was famous throughout the "Old World" as a birthplace of viniculture.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>So, the best you can do in Georgia is to drink a glass of wine :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Well, if we ask Hirano,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I guess he will explain the wonderful tradition of Chaji</td>
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<td>:-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>the Japanese tea tradition</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>well, to make it short</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>all I mean is that in spite of critising the commercial, propriatary software</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and instead of explaining how bad they are</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and how insecure a specific product is</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I believe it is better to do what you believe in</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>participate in FOSS product developments in any way you can</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>eduating the people how GOOD the FOSS products are and can be</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and doing it the way it is proper and close to the region/ country and culture you live in</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>could be a solution</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I guess this can also be called a Do-What-You-Like-and-Money-Will-Follow concept :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>the keyword here on *love*, not *money* :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I guess this is what I wanted to say</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>And I am waiting for your ideas</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>as Ihave to address piracy issues in Georgia</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and it's not very easy :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>So, I guess the "official" part of the talk is over and I would like to hear your experiences and ideas</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>also, how you have dealt with piracy</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>:-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>good job Aiet</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Thank you for the talk.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>very interesting indeed, Aiet!</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>thanks *ashamed*</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>why?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>thank you :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: I meant emberassed :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Aiet: Btw, Ian has been here too. He's been sitting next to me during your talk, and he liked it.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>ah</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Oh, very nice. my greetings to Ian</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Aiet: You made a good point about telling people that even if they don't have any problems yet, the might in the future.</td>
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<td>We can point out to the fact that Microsoft is moving more and more to clamping down on piracy.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>indeed</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>do we have some one here on the list who</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>has faced piracy issues in the home country?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I know therehe country of Georgia was famous throughout the “Old World” as a birthplace of viniculture</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>hmm sorry. I am not used to using GAIM I guess :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>these
problems are actually just a matter of time. After having set up most
of its political crisis and gone back to stability the country is meant
to take off economically and that means more money, so more companies
and more commerce, so Microsoft will jump in</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>So
we can tell them, "if you start now, you can play your move with time,
if you wait until it becomes a problem you won't be able to move to
FOSS overnight"</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>it keeps posting my old messages</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>DanielC: but still today they will have the usual problems for migrating to FLOSS</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: yes, adn the sooner they migrate, easier it will be</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>but surely not without usual problems</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Is piracy an issue for FOSS in wetern europian countries?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>like England, France, Germany?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>of course it is. Everywhere in the world</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>it's just a matter of percentage, after all</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>yay, Ian's in!</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>hello :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>hi</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>better late than never :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>But
they have also problems, when they migrate from one closed software to
another closed software. You have problems, when you migrate from Word
97 to Word 2002...</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Hi Ian :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>southerncross: Yes. But what would you prefer? To migrate slowly, with a clear plan, or be forced to do something by tuesday?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: but the percentage will be so low, that I guess it can hardly influence the FOSS products?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 85, 170);">pseudo_daoist</span>]
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<td>One
of the covert anti-piracy campaigns that microsoft is running, is
equating the use of FLOSS with the use of pirated software. </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>southerncross: that's the argument we can make.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>pseudo_daoist: interesting</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>pseudo_daoist: yes, they even use the debian logo to mean "hackers intruding your system"</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>eskroni: exactly</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Sue them ;-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>DanielC: of course: what I mean is that even when starting today, you need support and methods</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and I forgot to mention that updating the software is really a problem in piracy countries</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>So, perhaps if FOSS is seen to be strongly against piracy, we can counter Microsoft's propaganda.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>we should tell them about apt-get dist-upgrade ;-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Aiet: yes, that's another selling point of FOSS.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>:-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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<td>southerncross loves it too but thinks that Conary is very interesting</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Sorry, but you forgot urpmi --update --auto-select :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>how bout YAST?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>urpmi rocks. I'm a former MandrakeSoft employee...</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I am sure Christian should be fond of it?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Now, Ian was talking about how the INGOTs can solve this in the long-term.</td>
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<td>or at least help solve</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>Yast is good but has no effective CLI commands</td>
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<td>because INGOTs is a way of educating kids so they understand the issues better.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: really? do yo know Pablo?</td>
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<td>One of the reason the schools market is important is because we can educate the next generation about piracy and FOSS</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>YAST is very portable though... on mainframes, for instance</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>Pablo who?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Uhmm... guys? how about we talk abput piracy and not Yast?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: Saratxaga, the l10n manager</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>DanielC: sorry</td>
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<td>NO, NO NO! YAst is the most important issue at stake at the moment!!! :p</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: I agree. it is indeed important</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>let's go back to piracy, yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>They are also more visible.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and having FOSS products in schools means having them in the future</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>It
is almost impossible to get "home users" to stop pirating software. But
it's easier to get a large organization like a big company or a school
to switch.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Education might be a bit longer term but if we start later its even longer term :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>This is a really important point :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>because they are more visible, and there are fewer of them.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>You know, let's pick battles that are easier to win.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Also there are educational reasons for using FOSS that go beyond price</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Large companies, governments and schools are ideal places to try to stop piracy first.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian:
the problem in my country is that the piracy rate is so high, that the
teachers have probably never used a licensed software, nor any FOSS
product</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>Ian:
we have however to make sure that by working on schools we're just not
pushing the use of FLOSS, but we're also letting people understand why
FLOSS is important</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>Hello Andre!</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>How can you take part in an international community project with closed source?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: yes, and having the students actualy participate in the development</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>AietKolkhi: Yes. No one says it'd be easy. It'd be hard. But trying to get home users to stop pirating would be 10 times harder.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>just an example: my own former law university</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>which is one of the aspects of Ian's great project, I guess :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>So a good strategy is to focus on larger institutions.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: in France?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>and schools are obviously an ideal sector.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>We have a community resource that gives us a real competitive advantage over closed source in schools</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>they have linux in the internet zone. Old Suse's. Nobody ever told them why, or how it should be used</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>AietKolkhi: yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>so people use the computers and then tell you: this computer sucks. It ain't windows.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>because the IT Manager is pro-FLOSS but never got the idea to talk with the students</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: interesting</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>southerncross:
I was in a school where they set up the Linux GUI to look like windows
and ran cross over office. Most of the staff didn't realise they were
not using windows</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>Ian: but that's kind of useless, isn't it?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 136);">Thalion72</span>]
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<td>southerncross: no it isn'T </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Not if its a stepping stone</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>that could be a migration trick :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>exactly</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>right...</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>but I guess we should also educate people about what they are having on the desktop</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 136);">Thalion72</span>]
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<td>If people ask what FLOSS is .. Hey you are using it all the day ;-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>perhaps at a later stage</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>:) right</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>I like the idea of moving people in steps.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Its
strange to do the Linux bit before the OOo bit but it was an intersting
approach. But it needed a very expert person to do it.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>besides, most of the people have no idea what FLOSS or commercial products is</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and many people have never even used office software</td>
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<td>when they start education</td>
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<td>yes. Usually you proceed like this: firefox, openoffice.org and then linux</td>
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<td>this means we can teach them :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>exactly</td>
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<td>INGOTs!</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>it's tested real time on my dad</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>really :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>tes</td>
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<td>yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>firefox is the easy part</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>for graphic designer,s we could also try GIMP</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>OOo requires more time but you have to let the magic of MS Office XP (crashing all the time) work on the subject</td>
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<td>We
can do this in steps: start teaching kids the basic issues of open
source and open standards in schools. Even if the schools keep using
pirated software, they will start becomming aware of alternatives.
Then, in the future, they'll be more receptive to a motion to migrate.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross: :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>then, the subject gets red one day about MS Office and you quietly show him the light</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>INGOTs
do require people to understand issues associated with open standards.
I thought going directly to applications is missing a step for many
people.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>Linux is still in the works but it's more like learning to dive</td>
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<td>correct. and I think not many schools have pirated software</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>mostly, either they have no computer at all</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>You need to know what roads are before you learn to drive</td>
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<td>or they start ecquipping schools with computers, like in Georgia now, </td>
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<td>and have to find a legal solution</td>
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<td>Why is this of benefit to me? Its a question all users can ask</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>southerncross, yes, the last one from the olist would be the most difficult, I guess</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>We can easily supply added value answers to schools that are in tune with the education culture</td>
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<td>Also young people are more inclined and open to change</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Teachers will go with this if pupils are easier to teach</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Makes their job easier</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 170, 0);">southerncross</span>]
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<td>AietKolkhi: I recommend the use of a LiveCD</td>
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<td>southerncross: good idea</td>
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<td>Live CDs are very useful</td>
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<td>yup</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>I wonder if conventional desktop computers will survive for very much longer</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>It would make migration very much easier if installation time was minimal</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Why? There will be many people having their own computer, they can't use a thin client... </td>
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<td>eskroni: your computer will be in your phone maybe :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>But it doesn't have to be everyone just a sizable group</td>
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<td>3 times as many cell phones are sold as PCs</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 136);">Thalion72</span>]
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<td>DanielC: no .. not mine. I like to phne with my phone and compute with my computer ;-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Daniel, I don't want to have my computer in my cell-phone...</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>André, you're right! :)</td>
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<td>That's just you though</td>
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<td>The people who just want to surf the web and check their mail may prefer a dedicated device.</td>
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<td>No, you're missing the point.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>It doesn't *have* to be a *phone*</td>
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<td>DanielC: and wouldn't need an office suite on this device</td>
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<td>I'm talking about smaller, more dedicated devices.</td>
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<td>I know people already who don't do much other than texting and don't have a land line because its cheaper for them</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>For example, look at the new tablet from Nokia (the one that runs Linux).</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>I don't bother with a digital camera because I have one in my phone</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>It can surf the web, check your mail, and there's no reason you couldn't have an office suite on that too.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>For my parents that would be *better* than a computer because it does what they need and it's lighter and more portable.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>If I could run OOo in my phone and just connect to a keyboard and display I doubt I would bother with a laptop</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>well,
even if people switch from desktops to portable devices, the offices
and institutions will remain, and linux has been ported to so many
devices, like Xbox and iPod :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>My
dad is out on the road a lot (he's salesman). If he could run OOo on
that device he'd be able to bring his database of clients with him.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Offices and institutions will use thin clients - some already do</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>So my dad would be better off with a dedicated device (running Linux) than a desktop computer.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>DanielC: meaning like WIndows CE portables with MS Office comapct?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>is there a project dedicated to bringing OOo to portable devices?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>So, when you consider dedicated devices, plus thin clients, the market for the traditional desktop starts to look small.</td>
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<td>DanielC / Ian: ok, you both are right, we both are wrong .. thanks for the discussion</td>
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<td>If a PDA could run all the main productivity tools why would you want to cripple it to stop it doing that?</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: I wish there were...</td>
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<td>Ian: I think I dont fully understand what you mean by "thin".</td>
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<td>Ian: we have TV set able to browse the web for years now ... bot are they sold?</td>
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<td>Ha finally got this damn thing to work. Evening all</td>
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<td>Hi Graham</td>
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<td>Thalion72: It might one day :-)</td>
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<td>hello Graham</td>
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<td>Hello Graham </td>
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<td>hello Graham</td>
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<td>Microsoft are not likely to try and get people to migrate to PDAs because the sales value of WinCE is much lower than WinXP</td>
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<td>Thalion72:
Look, we're talking about the future. I know that *today* you wouldn't
run OOo on a small dedicated device. But that might change.</td>
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<td>as technology improves...</td>
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<td>DanielC:
maybe that's what MS so successfull? To think about what might be some
day but focus their daily work on what actualy *is*?</td>
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<td>Microsoft play a big part in the technologies people use.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Daniel
/ Ian: It depends on you, what you want to do with your computer. I
agree, that in large companies, a set of thin clients will be better
(and even cheaper)</td>
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<td>Thalion72:
Hey, relax. This is supposed to be a friendly discussion. And if you
look at my day-to-day work, you'll see that it's relevant today.</td>
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<td>There
is no real reason why a company with MS's resources could not develop a
PD which would run all the main productivity tools. There is no
commercial incentive to do it</td>
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<td>Ian: yes. and market share so big, they can influence lots of things</td>
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<td>eskroni: Yes, of course.</td>
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<td>eskroni: and I wouldn't imply that *everyone* will want to do xyz.</td>
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<td>eskroni: I just meant that I see the desktop market shrinking.</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: Exactly</td>
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<td>But things do have a habit of changing</td>
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<td>All desktop PCs won't suddenly disappear :-)</td>
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<td>But if there is a shift of emphasis some big players will have a big problem</td>
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<td>Ian:
you are right, but the fact that my friends can buy iMates and
smartphones that run portable versions of MS Word and not OOo does not
make me happy</td>
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<td>But
when I see, that you can buy a new computer for about 300 EUR, there's
no need for thin clients, even if on these computers is Windows
pre-installed...</td>
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<td>Getting OOo into PDAs could be not just nice but a necessity - think 10 years ahead</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: I agree</td>
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<td>Try a new computer that's free with your telephony service contract</td>
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<td>Ian: Possibly sooner if the stories coming out of IBM are true</td>
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<td> </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Google have employed about 100 of MS's office engineers. I wonder why?</td>
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<td>OOo split up into smaller components</td>
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<td>There's already an ISP that will give you a free computer if you sign up with their internet service for 2 years.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>which ISP?</td>
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<td>In NZ sign up for a computing course and get a free comp</td>
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<td>eskroni: I foget. It was one in the US.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: I dont see why Google empluyed MS engeneers?</td>
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<td>Laptop if its three year course</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>In
the cell phone market people are used to getting the hardware free. How
do you sustain sellin an OEM OS for 100 Euros in that type of market?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Graham: are you in NZ?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Graham: great :)</td>
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<td>Yes</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: Neither do I! But it could be to build an on-line office application to go with Gmail etc. </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian:one has to find a service that would require the monthly subsription and than hardware can be free..</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: I see</td>
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<td>Only thing is they wipe the OS off when your course is finished</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>very interesting</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>and guess who's OS it is</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>RISC OS? :)</td>
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<td>LOL </td>
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<td>As hardware reduces in cost the OS becomes embarassingly expensive</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>:)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>The University gets a bulk deal on MS software </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 170);">eskroni</span>]
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<td>Graham: I don't worry about this... I'm a Linux-user and have my legal installation CDs at home...</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>But only for the period that the student is studying</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>It's hard to get Linux and OOO into that situation tho</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>and
propriatary OSs often slow down the hardware development. there is no
need to release a processors if it can't be supported by OS</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Graham: I know what you mean. MS made the same kind of offer to Georgian education</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Graham: offering the OS and Office copies almost free of charge</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Whatever
happens unless MS can increase the volume they are going to be hard
pressed to keep the revenue up because they can't put up the cost of
Windows any further. Anything that reduces the number of desktop PCs is
going to badly affect them</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Yep, they know the art of lockin</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Alternative technologies won't replace desktop PCs but they could well reduce the importance of them </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Yes, but FLOSS should also start addressing the portable device support, as MS and EPOC seem one step further</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>heheh Especially when they will do a deal with the indonesian Government for a dollar a seat</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>AietKolkhi: I agree. </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Agreed</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>I
have a Psion netBook here that is about 4 years old. Really a Linux
version running OOo from ROM and with a fast internet connection and I
could certainly dump my laptop</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>but then abiword and Gnumeric probably can get there faster than OOo</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Let's hope they support the OpenDocument Format.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Possibly but they need volume for confidence</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Agreed</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>OOo gets that volume and confidence, ironically, from running on Windows,</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Yes.
And don't see any reason why OOo should compete with Gnumeric or
Koffice. if they get there fast, very nice. It won't make OOo jurney to
portable devices a longer sory. on the contrary</td>
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<td style="font-weight: 900; text-align: right;">
[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>DanielC: ODF is a vital part of this</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>But I think they're too hung up on GNOME.. If GNOME goes onto portable devices...</td>
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<td style="font-weight: 900; text-align: right;">
[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: Abi runs on Windows. And I think Gnumeric is going in that direction.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Graham: hmm, that will be a challending task</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Why?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Yep I realise that but they'll follow GNOME </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>The new Nokia device runs a window manager based on Gnome.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>not WnCE because of lack of volume... not to mention developers</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
</td>
<td>Why
not have GNOME on portabl devices? Current cell phones have enough RAM
to do it. They just need a faster processor - StrongARM/Xscale could do
that</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Cool I didn't know that</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>I can see Gnome running on a portable device.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>wel...</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
</td>
<td>let's say XFCE :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>I can see XFCE running on a portable device.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Or people could reuse the one Nokia uses, whatever it's called.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
</td>
<td>Blackbox... or IceWM</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>well... blackbox is ugly</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>and I don't really like IceWM</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>heh.. I like minmalist</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Again
how long to make a portable OOo? Let's say 3 years. By then you will
have 10 gig of RAM in an affordable portable device. Easily enough to
run and store the main productivity tools. Also internet bandwidth will
be less expensive and there will be more web based apps. Perhaps even
OOo on line via Google ;-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Thats the thing.. moores law will catch up to us</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
</td>
<td>GrahamL: Do we *really* need more speed form CPUs?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Processors have hot a problem but really RAM ios more the issue than processing</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>hot a problem! Hit - maybe hot is better :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td> Hell no, but temp control will get better </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Not if you keep the CISC INtel architecture</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Windows needs it</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Well unless MS port to a different hardwar platform</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>The VIA 1 gig chip in the miniitx needs bugger all cooling</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Yes but its not a very fast processor</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>We do need faster processors, but only for special taks, like 3d rendering. And I heard Shrek 2 was rnedered on RedHat</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Quite so most people do not need to edit video</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>I have one, it's 6 x8x1.5" </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
</td>
<td>Ian: right</td>
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<td style="font-weight: 900; text-align: right;">
[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
</td>
<td>Lord of the rings was done on Linux</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Graham: very nice.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 0);">cloph</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: Gnome is already on the PDA http://gpe.handhelds.org/</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Most special effects are don in Linux now.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
</td>
<td>Harry Potter, Shreck, Titanic</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 0);">cloph</span>]
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<td>or better: GTK is, and since gnome is a collection of gtk-apps....</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
</td>
<td>Games
- a different issue - largely games consoles which also will weaken the
desktop market. Kid buys a games console and hey I can have OOo on here
too and access the Internet. Do I really want to buy a desktop PC too?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
</td>
<td>Coool... does it have abiword and gnumeric running</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
</td>
<td>cloph: Gnome also has some additional libraries beyond Gtk+</td>
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<td>DanielC: Very few. And these are about to disappear.</td>
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<td>Fact
is that most laptops don't actually perform that well compared to
desktops but they do well enough which shows that actualy probably a
PDA would if people thought in that way.</td>
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<td>cloph: really?</td>
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<td>Yes.</td>
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<td>Ian:
I read a TIMES research earlier, saying the use of desktop pcs for
private purposed would be dramatically reduced within the next few years</td>
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<td>Ian:Thats why desktops won't go away.. we will have dockable PDAs though that rob processing power from basically a dumb box</td>
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<td>cloph: do you know if the project can run on iPod?</td>
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<td>Laptops
can't handle heat as there is no room for a heatsink of any size. They
have power management that is a compromise between processor
performance so why do we really need all this processing power in an
office desktop?</td>
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<td>Graham: do you mean like wireless desktopn connection? like VNC?</td>
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<td>GrahamL: not yet. And a wordprocessor would be pretty unhandy (you at least need external keyboard)</td>
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<td>Desktops
won't disappear, but I believe they will not be the central focus for
IT they once were. In fact its arguable that cell phones have already
taken that over</td>
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<td>cloph: yes. but I have seen an interesting optical keyboard, which is projected on the surface</td>
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<td>Ian: would it be hard to port OOo fully to Java, so that it can be used online, along with Goffice?</td>
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<td>And folding key boards etc. There are ways around the input problems. Display size is also an issue</td>
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<td>Cloph, that's what I mean. The Desktop will retain keyboard and a lot of computing power. apps on the PDA and storage </td>
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<td>RAM and bigger processor on the Dumb desktop</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: Not sure. I suspect a Java implmentation might be slow but I don't really know. </td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: You wouldn't need to port it to Java to use it online. OOo could be a server-side app with a Java interface.</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: And OOo already has Java bindings.</td>
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<td>I would think that if Google are developing they would be using OOo but they might not be keen on people knowing about it</td>
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<td>so
your software and storage and a limited amount of processing on your
portable, then to give it grunt dock it to a desktop that has ram and
processor</td>
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<td>Ian: I see</td>
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<td>Yep why have the programme on your computer when you can pull it to RAM off the net</td>
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<td>GrahamL:
I think a SA/XSCALE running at 500 meg would have enough grunt for any
client side stuff. Might even be faster than a current desktop
implementation if the server side stuff was well designed to run with
it.</td>
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<td>I think most of the challenge wrt to porting sowtware to pdas is the GUI that needs to fit in that small screen.</td>
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<td>cloph: yes</td>
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<td>cloph: Have an option to plug into a large screen or to tab individual apps on the small screen</td>
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<td>Yep... it works with thin clients</td>
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<td>Do PDAs support "virtual desktops"?</td>
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<td>will that be the thing, nothing but thin clients that boot up off the net </td>
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<td>So
on the small screen you get individual apps full screen kiosk style.
They could have virtual desktops to tab through if running Linux and X</td>
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<td>(Do PDAs allow connecting an external display at all)</td>
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<td>cloph: My Psion can take a VGA card in the PCMCIA slot</td>
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<td>Its al really just a matter of will to design say a USB port and VGA out</td>
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<td>So plugin a standard keyboard costing 5 Euro and a TFT monitor costing 100 Euro and you have a desktop machine</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian:
Does your Psion have a color screen? I rememberhaving Series 5 psions 8
or 10 years ago, with portable modem and internet running on it :)</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: Yes its colour 256 I think, runing Epoc </td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: Applications on iPod? I thouight this is a jukebox - how would you use it just with the dial?</td>
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<td>Given its age, XGA and 24 bit colour should not be hard to do in something designed to-day</td>
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<td>So the question is of course where does that leave the installed Office Application</td>
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<td>cloph: you can not use eveything, but I was surprised to see how many tools had been ported to iPod :)</td>
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<td>Is the only people we are going to sell OOo to gong to be Google and /or Yahoo</td>
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<td>cloph: not very efficient though. I would not like to scroll for every letter</td>
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<td>GrahamL: 2 possibilites. On line via eg Google. Embedded in ROM in the device</td>
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<td>:-) - so its a "nerd thing" </td>
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<td>cloph: yes :)</td>
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<td>I'd go for both. As storage falls in price why not make an Office suite available? Give me a good reason not to?</td>
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<td>Graham: OOo could potentially be used on any device that requires office applications</td>
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<td>AietKolkhi: And even some that might never be used for office apps but that might get used occasionally</td>
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<td>Graham: and having open format only supports the versatility of the product</td>
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<td>Ian: yes</td>
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<td>Yes - in a few years time people are not going to pay even 10 Euros for an office suite.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Yep but my point is: Why bother if we are going access online. Big advantages. No need for storing the programme </td>
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<td>But the storage costs zip so it won;t matter</td>
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<td>Ian: Hehe They don't have to now</td>
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<td>True</td>
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<td>Its getting from a to b</td>
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<td>They don't have to but they do</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>They take time to learn</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Technology changes quicker than people</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>I can buy 256 meg USB now for less than $20 here</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>True again</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>MS prices will fall, its inevitable</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Can that increase sales volume to compensate?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 0);">cloph</span>]
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<td>One reason not to run it "off the net" is security. See how many people are not able to set up a secure internet connection.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Question is will they shift to the OSS model</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>It might in the short term but I can't see it happening in the longer term</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>cloph: That is one reason why both approaches might happen. It doesn't have to be al or nothing</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>cloph:
if people use their mail online, I guess they will not have problems
using the documents online. Regular users do not seem to be concerned
about security or prviacy</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>cloph: a very true thing, but security will be taken out of the users hands</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: exactly :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: MS OSS? Maybe but if they delay too long they miss the boat, too early and they decimate their current business model</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Most of the Linux distros already set up firewalls by default</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Personally I can't see it. Not while they're owned by wallstreet</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Have you seen some of the Blogs thatare screaming for Shwartzs head because of OpenSolaris</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>He's pretty unpopular amongst some of SUNs share holders</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>MS's Shareholders are addicted to huge returns</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 0);">cloph</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: firewalls don't protect the data outside your computer.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>They are likely to expereince withdrawl symptoms then ;-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>The only way it will happen is if Billy and Steve buy up a majority shareholding</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>So
just a bit of a summary. I think we need to educate people about piracy
and come out strongly against it. We need to press for OOo to go into
PDAs - but that is something we as a community proabably can't do too
much about. If I make millions out of INGOTs, I'll manufacture the
ultimate PDA with embedded OOo :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Cloph: true but it's an example of the responsibility for security being taken away from the end user</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>yes?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>The best thing we can do is support the BSA in all their endeavours</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: very nice idea :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Can only be good for OOo :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 0);">cloph</span>]
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<td>It
was a mobile that synched the data with her personal account on the
provider's site. Her account was hacked and the contacts and pictures
were spread on the net....</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Oam: I just found a commericial PDa-Linux office tool http://www.handhelds.org/geeklog/links.php?category=Commercial+Software</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: I think we have to make sure they support the open document format</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: I agree </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>AietKolkhi: yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>If we actively promote anti-piracy it does us good image-wise as well as boosting take up</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>AietKolkhi: Yes to open document</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Maybe we should form a partnership with MS on this one</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>:D</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>An alliance with the Devil... Beware of the Darkside Luke</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>It
would be a good publicity stunt to offer to publicly partner with MS
over piracy. If they refused it would be as good as if they accepted
:-) </td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: interesting</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>I do like Win Win situations</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>I'm OK, I have a torch for the darkside :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Ian: It was fun seeing Microsoft at LinuxTag, presenting their Unix solutions :)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>I have a half filled box of matches and a wet candle</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Yes they sent a representative to FLOSSIE</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>GrahamL: But not win dow win dow ones?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Ian: I'm tryiong to convince Gary Benner to turn the Moodle conf into a sort of FLOSSIE event</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>LOL</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Imagine an open letter to MS in say the Register or on Slashdot inviting cooperation with the OOo community to stamp out piracy.</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>I afraid I will have to leave. Have to go get back to my work :(</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Ian: MS sent a representative to FLOSSIE?</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Only if we're on the winning side no matter the result</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Thank you so much for listening to my talk and thanks for the interesting discussion</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Such a letter might well get syndicated to mainstrteam international press</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Aiet: thank you for the talk. It sparked an interesting discussion!</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Thank you and my apolgies for being so late</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 136);">Ian</span>]
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<td>Yes thanks, interesting discussion</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>Thank you</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>Ian: It's a neat ida. And we have nothing to lose really. And a lot to win. Just for the publicity value. :-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(136, 0, 0);">AietKolkhi</span>]
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<td>hope to see you on next talk and to keep in touch</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Time to go, things to do places to be</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>take care</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>thank you for comming</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>and it's almost bedtime</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Heh eventually</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>:-)</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>I'll mail you sometime wrt thin client setups</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>I'm looking at a school that needs it</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>yes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>great</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 136);">GrahamL</span>]
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<td>Good night</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>we can exchange notes</td>
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[<span style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">DanielC</span>]
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<td>good night</td>
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