diff --git a/karaf/features/src/main/filtered-resources/resources/etc/org.apache.karaf.features.xml b/karaf/features/src/main/filtered-resources/resources/etc/org.apache.karaf.features.xml
index 232f583..1c857e0 100644
--- a/karaf/features/src/main/filtered-resources/resources/etc/org.apache.karaf.features.xml
+++ b/karaf/features/src/main/filtered-resources/resources/etc/org.apache.karaf.features.xml
@@ -228,6 +228,10 @@
         <bundle>mvn:javax.ws.rs/javax.ws.rs-api/[0,999]</bundle>  <!-- use jakarta above -->
         <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.specs/org.apache.servicemix.specs.jaxrs-api-2.1/[0,999]</bundle> <!-- use javax above -->
 
+        <!-- for soap this should be excluded -->
+        <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.specs/org.apache.servicemix.specs.saaj-api-1.4/[0,999]</bundle>
+        <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.specs/org.apache.servicemix.specs.jaxws-api-2.3/[0,999]</bundle>
+
         <!-- we supply wrapped versions -->
         <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.okhttp/3.12.1_1</bundle>
         <bundle>mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.okio/1.15.0_1</bundle>
diff --git a/karaf/features/src/main/resources/resources/etc/custom.properties b/karaf/features/src/main/resources/resources/etc/custom.properties
index be50ce2..eb04c66 100644
--- a/karaf/features/src/main/resources/resources/etc/custom.properties
+++ b/karaf/features/src/main/resources/resources/etc/custom.properties
@@ -31,6 +31,7 @@
 # javax.xml.ws -- could come from servicemix jaxws
 # javax.activation -- could be declared, if using jakarta's bind
 # but karaf gets unhappy if we try to use those instead of the java 1.8-supplied ones
+# javax.xml.soap needs 1.4 to avoid timeout errors, and javax.jws.soap needs to be visible
 
 jre-1.8= \
  javax.accessibility, \
@@ -47,6 +48,7 @@
  javax.imageio.spi, \
  javax.imageio.stream, \
  javax.jws, \
+ javax.jws.soap, \
  javax.lang.model, \
  javax.lang.model.element, \
  javax.lang.model.type, \
@@ -126,6 +128,7 @@
  javax.xml.datatype, \
  javax.xml.namespace, \
  javax.xml.parsers, \
+ javax.xml.soap;version="1.4", \
  javax.xml.stream;version="1.2", \
  javax.xml.stream.events;version="1.2", \
  javax.xml.stream.util;version="1.2", \